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AnCom9 27 points 3 days ago 
German autobahnen have no federally mandated speed limit for some classes of vehicles.[1] However, limits are posted (and enforced) in areas that are urbanised, substandard, accident-prone, or under construction. On speed-unrestricted stretches, an advisory speed limit (Richtgeschwindigkeit) of 130 kilometres per hour (81 mph) applies. While going faster is not illegal as such in the absence of a speed limit, it can cause an increased liability in the case of an accident; courts have ruled that an "ideal driver" who is exempt from absolute liability for "inevitable" tort under the law would not exceed Richtgeschwindigkeit.
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Certain limits are imposed on some classes of vehicles:
Buses carrying standing passengers
Motorcycles pulling trailers
Vehicles with maximum allowed weight exceeding 3.5 t (except passenger cars)
Passenger cars and trucks with trailers
Buses
Passenger cars pulling trailers certified for 100 km/h
Buses certified for 100 km/h not towing trailers[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn
It's as if the system is more nuanced than an online meme is making it out to be.
It's as if the system is more complex than merely going "Personal responsibility = good! Stupid nanny state = bad!"
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[–]Sideways2 9 points 3 days ago 
Also, passing somebody on the right is prohibited, as is hogging the left lane. You are only allowed to drive in the leftmost lane if you want to overtake somebody.
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[–]scaryred2 2 points 1 day ago 
Nuance? We're talking about libertarians here.
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[–]heinous_nutsack 20 points 3 days ago 
Getting a German drivers license is like taking a college course in driving. It is like 6 or 8 weeks (not sure exactly) and a few grand. Even after the long and intensive course, they have a pretty high failure rate for the final exam. Germans can drive like you wouldn't believe and are passionate about driving.
The autobahn does not have a set speed limit, and at times the there is no recommended or imposed speed limit. They have a traffic surveillance system to monitor traffic and conditions. This system will impose appropriate speed limits on the fly according to conditions. It is basically so crowded that the conditions to allow for the unadjusted "no speed limit" driving is rare.
I do remember as a kid (80's) riding in the back seat with my mom driving several times where we got passed by cars that were going at least 100 miles an hour faster than we were. It is likely that my mom was cruising at around 100 mph.

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[–]AnCom9 8 points 3 days ago* 
Is there anyone actually from Germany who wants to comment on this?
Edit
Take a guess on where the "personal responsibility" comes from:
They also have much higher standards for getting a driver's license
https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/a5hbu7/germany?sort=top
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[–]thxsucks 10 points 3 days ago 
I'm German that also lived in the USA. Yeah something like half of the autobahn doesn't have speed limits. But it's just for regular cars(without a trailer). So, if I have a car with a trailer that has powered brakes, the speed limit is 100kmh(~62mph) no matter what. Without powered brakes 80kph. Bigger vans/trucks have to drive at 100 too.
Also, the TuV which is the people that inspect cars and stuff, have very hard tests for cars. They check for brakes, emissions, suspension, and a bunch of other stuff. Every car goes through this every 2 years. You cannot change parts without using tuv approved parts, or they have to get approved by them. In some cases it can be pretty expensive.
Also, getting a drivers license costs 2000 euros. Takes a few months, and is hard. You have to take a written test, and a driving test. When I did a driving test in the US, I failed the emergency braking (he just asked me to step on the brake as fast as I can.) but I still got my license. In Germany, you have to really do it it. I had to do the test for a motorcycle. I had to do an emergency braking test on the motorcycle in the FUCKING RAIN!
Also you tested on country roads, city roads, residential roads, and the autobahn. In the states it was just driving around the dmv for 10 minutes or something stupid.
Also, Germans taking driving very seriously.
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[–]ungrounded_outlet 12 points 3 days ago 
Oh cool! Let’s adopt their guns laws too! Guys? Guys....?
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[–]jnshhh 3 points 3 days ago 
Did they forget they are for private roads?
And private roads will set speed limits and any other rules they want. Telling them they can't violates their property rights.
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[–]InLoveWithTexasShape 2 points 3 days ago 
Well if there's no effect then they wouldn't mind if we put speed limits on the rest of the highway then, right?
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[–]PKMKII 2 points 2 days ago 
And how much more does Germany spend per highway mile than the US in order to keep the autobahn in a condition that you can go stupid fast on?
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[–]8__ 1 point 2 days ago 
So basically, there shouldn't be safety regulations because people are being safe anyway? But if they're being safe anyway, what bad thing does having the regulation in place do?

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